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Spiritual Business Mastery

More Clients. More Revenue. More Impact. Without selling your Soul.

The only Spiritual Business Training that helps you Grow without compromise.


Start - December, 2025

>15 years

Online Entrepreneurship

>10.000

Clients

>2.000.000

Revenue
Thank YOU for coming to this page.


You will not be dissapointed.


Because what we Share is very Important.


Your Soul and The World is Waiting for This Message. 


There is a lot of confusion about Spirituality and Business Success.


And We are Here to Clear up that confusion and bring You to Clarity and Success. 


Please Listen Carefully and Consider Our Message. 


But before You Listen to Our Message Let Me First Explain Who I Am and why I Am Empowered to Share This Message with Sandesh and Our Global Team of the Kundalini Yoga Club with You.


My Name Is Guru Gian (Jasper Kok) and for almost 25 Years I have been a Working Process of Merging Spirituality and Business. 


First by doing my PhD on Entrepreneurship between 2002 and 2007 while going through a Great Process of Spiritual Transformation on a Personal and Family Level.


Then I worked as a Senior Economic Advisor between 2007 and 2009 while submitting Myself to a Daily Group Sadhana (Spiritual Practice) of 2,5 hours in Amsterdam (which I continued in a Group of Committed Yogi's for the 8 years till I moved from Amsterdam.


Between 2006 and 2010 I went multiple times to India for Spiritual Practice, Visiting Holy Sites and Spiritual Study. In 2009 before my Long 6 Months Trip to India I Felt an Inner Calling to Let Go of My secure job as an Economic Advisor and Made a Strong Resolve to Only Make Money with Sharing Yoga & Meditation & Spiritual Teachings. 


From 2010 and onwards untill NOW I was Self-Employed and an Entrepreneur later.


From 2010 onwards I did a strong Spiritual Sadhana and At The Same Time started Working on My Spiritual Mission and Spiritual Business.


For That I studied From and With diverse Spiritual and Business Masters and Mentors to Transform my Mindset and work on Exposing and Transforming ALL My limiting beliefs about Spirituality and Business Mastery and Success. 


Through that Painfull and Arduous Process of (what I later Realised as a Process of Letting Go of All Ego (Family) Wounds and Limitations) of Transformation and Succesfull Application of Universal Business Principles I became More and More Succesfull. 


I Realized Success is utterly useless if it is Not Shared with Others and for Others.


So I allowed Others to Enter the Now Our Successful Business and Share in the Fruits of the Business Through Doing Meaningful Work and Receiving Payments for Their Services and Being (Spiritually) Empowered in That Process.


Now We have Successfully Operated a TRUE Spiritual Business (after 25 Years of Processing Work).


And Therefore It Is Time To Share This Transmission and All The Knowledge and The Techniques and Tactics with Others who Feel they want to Have a Truly Successfull and Spiritual Business and Thereby Serving The World. 


Having a Spiritual Business is a Spiritual Practice and is not for the faint-hearted. 


But the Fruits are Fantastic.


You Will Prosper and Flourish and through Growing Into and Beyond Your Own Power You Will Become a Force For Good.


Thank You For Listening. 


Now Allow us to Speak to You Personally.


Many Blessings, Love and Success,


Guru Gian, Sandesh, and the Global Team Kundalini Yoga Club


Jasper Kok (Guru Gian), lead trainer

Live your Mission. In Freedom, with Impact.


Without losing Yourself.


You know You're here to Make a Contribution.

But how do you Share Your Work in a way that Feels aligned – and actually works?


Spiritual Business Mastery is for yogi-preneurs who want to embody their soul’s mission and learn how to do business with structure, visibility, and confidence.


Does this Resonate with You?


Take a moment to read on or book a no-obligation conversation with Sandesh to see if this is your path.

Discover if this path is right for you
We happily clarify you questions with no obligations
I want to build my business with soul and strength
With a full year of support and training
Hai Vo (Sandesh) & Jasper Kok (Guru Gian), lead trainers

Do you recognize this?

You wake up in the morning with a desire to contribute. You feel your work has meaning. So why isn’t it working? You post on social media, but get little response. You have beautiful conversations, but your offer rarely gets booked.


You believe in abundance, but when it comes to asking for money for what you do, something in your gut tightens. You're not interested in gimmicks or slick marketing talk. You're looking for a way to do business that aligns with who you truly are – and still reaches people.


And deep down, you know: it doesn’t have to be so complicated. But how, then?

Imagine if Entrepreneurship felt like Coming Home to Yourself.

Doing Business in Flow – without push or doubt


Being Fully Yourself, Visible – and Attracting exactly the Right People

Attracting Abundance instead of chasing it


Embodying Your Mission – with an Offer that Works and Feels Aligned

Three short voices from women walking this path right now.

Annemieke
 Bibian
Sabine

This is for You if You...

…feel you're here for more than trading hours for money


…are ready to release old patterns around money, visibility, or self-doubt


…aren’t into tricks, but long for depth and authenticity


…want to grow in a way that nourishes instead of depletes


…want to work from your soul and receive abundance in return


…feel an INNER YES – and believe there’s always a solution, even when things get tough


If you’re mostly looking for reasons why something wouldn’t work, or prefer to hold on to why it can’t work for you – then this program is probably not for you.

Discover if this path is right for you


Yes, I choose my mission

I’m so glad I joined the year program with Guru Gian!


I wanted to align my career more with my spirituality and deepen my spiritual journey, and I absolutely succeeded. From the first to the last session, Guru Gian challenges you to break through blockages and stretch your limits. I turned my excuses for stagnation into action, softened my critical view of my own spiritual development, and even started my own business – which is now thriving. I also feel a lot more confident in life. Without the energy, coaching, and reflection from the year program, none of that would have been possible.

– Maarten Mulder

We Walk The Talk...and People Recognize The Potential Of Working With Us

For More Than 10 Years We have been Successfully Launching Spiritual Workshops, Retreats and Trainings building a multiple 6-figures Business Consistently over the Years and doing Multiple Millions of Revenues in Total and Growing Yearly while at the Same Time Creating a Truly Spiritual Business with Integrity. 


We Love Working Together and Creating Successful Partnerships. So we have co-launched multiple trainings and programs including the Heal Your Back Now Program and Also Tantra Coaching Level 1 trainings and the new Brand 365 Tantra. 


As we Successfully Grow in the Niche of Kundalini Yoga we are being Asked by Other Great Spiritual Teachers from the Kundalini Yoga Tradition to Help Them Launch a Successful Spiritual Business.


Our Latest Launch was a 50-50% Co-Creation with one of the Most Well Known Kundalini Yoga Masters who Has Written 15 Books on Kundalini Yoga over the Last 50 Years: Guru Rattana, PhD. By Apllying OUR UNIQUE METHODOLOGY we Succesfully Launched a €2000 Course with More Then 120 Paying Partipants generating around €200.000 in revenues with One Launch.


More Established Teachers are Now Asking Us To Share Our Methodologie and Spiritual Business Practices. 


But OUR MISSION is Bigger than Helping Some Big Teachers.


We Want To Empower YOU by Sharing Our Unique Transmission and Spiritual Business Practices. 

Lola tells Sandesh about her Experience after a Soaching Session.

What makes This Different?

No tricks or marketing masks — but Entrepreneurship rooted in Energy, Euthenticity, and Resonance.

Full guidance on both Inner Work and Practical Implementation.

A Professional Team (PRICELESS) that Supports You with the technical side — funnels, landing pages, payment systems, advertising...

A Small, Intimate Group of Entrepreneurs with Deep Intention, Reflection, and Growth.

Rhythm and Depth: 6 Online LIVE days, 12 months of support.

Visible Embodiment – the growth of the Kundalini Yoga Club is tangible. And maybe you already FELT that.

What we’ve achieved ourselves (and what you’ll learn to apply):

  • Developed a Positioning that resonates with thousands — without compromising values (and generating only this year already more than half a million euros in Revenue from our Own Brand)

  • Built a Strong Community on principles of connection, healing, and awareness

  • Created High-Converting Programs and Funnels — without unethical sales tricks or ‘clever hooks’

  • Designed a Content Strategy that makes daily impact via social media, email, and video

  • Set up a Scalable Technical Infrastructure — including email systems, landing pages, payments, and automation

  • Built Purpose-Driven Collaborations with teachers, coaches, and experts — rooted in trust and shared mission

  • Integrated AI tools into daily workflows — to work smarter, without losing your soul

  • Ran Successful Ad Campaigns on Google, Facebook, and Instagram

  • Crafted a Growth Strategy that brings in new paying clients daily

  • Designed a Complete Customer Journey that fits our value proposition — and that of our members — from first contact to loyal ambassador


  • What you learn in this program is not a trick.

It’s a way of thinking, creating, and doing business that aligns with sound Business & Marketing Principles AND who YOU truly are.


You’ll feel it, understand it, apply it — and let it flow in your own style, at your own rhythm.

Live Masterclass Dates (from 10.00 - 16.00)


  • December 5, 2025

  • January 16, 2026

  • February 5, 2026

  • March 6, 2026

  • April 10, 2026

  • May 8, 2026

  • June 5, 2026

  • July 10, 2026

  • August 21, 2026

  • September 10, 2026

  • October 9, 2026

  • November 6, 2026

Thanks to the work I did with Jasper, I started truly following my deepest desires.


My Liv Sita Academy now exists — at the heart of our Holistic Soul Center — and is in full manifestation.

By speaking my dream aloud, people came onto my path who wanted to join — with their time, money, and energy.

It became a co-creation.

Working with Jasper isn’t about ‘reaching a goal.’

It’s about walking a path.

He helps you move through your fears, beyond your limiting beliefs, until you feel:


This is what I’m here to do.

— Bibian Hopmans

This Program Is Led By:

Jasper Kok (Guru Gian):

Wanted to make the teachings of Kundalini Yoga accessible to everyone. Inspired by Guru Nanak and Western streams of consciousness (including Steiner & coaching), he built the Kundalini Yoga Club into the largest Kundalini Yoga community in the Netherlands and Belgium.

  • Trained nearly 400 Tantra & Kundalini Yoga Coaches and Teachers
  • Created and sold numerous online trainings through his platform
  • Holds a PhD in economics and worked for years as an economic advisor for the city of Amsterdam — but chose the path of a yogi-preneur to make more direct impact

Key vision:

  • Make ancient wisdom accessible
  • Combine Eastern teachings with Western consciousness methods like coaching and Steiner’s work
  • Creator of both offline and online programs such as Kundalini Yoga Coaching, Japji Sahib Mastery, Kundalini Yoga Teacher Training Level 1 & 2, Tantra Coaching, and more

Hai Vo (Sandesh):

Sandesh has been an entrepreneur since 2001, right after completing his Master of Science at Delft University of Technology. What began in the world of engineering and digital systems grew into a long journey of building teams, guiding startups, and launching complex online projects that helped ideas reach people across the world.


Along the way, he discovered that his real gift was not only strategy, but supporting people, creating teams that felt inspired, grounded and happy to bring meaningful work to life.


In 2014, he became a Kundalini Yoga Teacher, and by 2017 a Kundalini Yoga Coach. That inner shift led him to dedicate his skills to spiritual businesses and mission-driven entrepreneurs, rather than projects that didn’t contribute to the world of tomorrow. Since then, Sandesh has been a driving force behind the international growth of the Kundalini Yoga Club and the development of its global Sanghat. Community, connection, and collective impact lie at the heart of his work.


In this Spiritual Business Mastery training, Sandesh stands alongside Guru Gian to guide entrepreneurs into aligned, grounded action — steps that fit their energy, mission and pace, without draining their strength.


As a coach and teacher, he brings sensitivity, experience and practical wisdom, helping people grow in a way that feels true, sustainable and empowering.

We don’t share anything we don’t practice ourselves. We Live What We Teach.
Feel a YES? 
Book a no-obligation conversation
Online call to explore Your Possibilities.

I’m signing up for the program

a year of learning to expand.

What Others Say About Kundalini Yoga with Guru Gian

"Yoga has now become an essential part of my life. I love how easily I can let go of what doesn't matter."



Benji (media specialist)
"It awakens you on all levels: your body, your mind, your energy, and your spirituality. Guru Gian teaches with deep respect, immense knowledge, and from the heart."
Barbara (PR agent)
"For me, Guru Gian is a source of inspiration and positive energy. He has vast knowledge and continues to motivate and inspire. Highly recommended."
Gijs (entrepreneur)

What Others Say About Hai's Coaching Style

One conversation to come back to yourself
“If you're looking for a job or direction that suits you and makes you feel at ease, talk to Hai Vo.

He understands both your professional and personal experiences, brings you back to yourself in just one conversation, and helps you express your heart and thoughts.

That's exactly what happened to me. I now feel I have direction and motivation for my possibilities.

Highly appreciated!”

Seema (Agile Lead | Coach)

Extensive coaching experience
“I deeply value Hai’s support and helpful advice during the early stages of my IT career.

I’m certain that without Hai’s help, my path would have been much more difficult.

With his guidance, I gained solid experience and skills as a full-stack Python developer.

I hold Hai’s coaching expertise in high regard. It made me more efficient and valuable in every project I was part of.”



Aleksandr (Python Developer))

Unique and intuitive mind
“Hai has a unique and intuitive mind with excellent communication skills. He’s highly professional but not your typical ‘corporate’ type. He listens well and adds a personal touch whenever needed.

Mentorship and guidance are key with him. His blend of cultural, philosophical insight and eye for detail allows him to connect easily with others and participate in a variety of events.

We’re looking forward to our next meeting!”

Galyna (Project Manager)

Practical Details:

12 months of practical guidance — with spirit, structure, and strategy

10 Monthly Online & Recorded masterclasses with Guru Gian, Sandesh, and other experts

Monthly sessions with Sandesh & Guru Gian



Max. 8–12 entrepreneurs per group



What You’ll Gain

Imagine: You meet Lisa. She started the program uncertain about her offer, full of ideas but with an empty calendar. She felt she had something valuable to offer but struggled with visibility, structure, and confidence.

After twelve months, Lisa is transformed. Her mission is clear, her voice is active on social media, and clients come to her. She knows how to build funnels, how her offer flows, and how to confidently ask what her work is worth. She works less, earns more, and feels more aligned with her path than ever before.


Just like Lisa, you will gain:

  • A clear mission, vision, and positioning

  • An aligned offer that fits your energy and your clients

  • Activated funnels, landing pages, and content

  • A rhythm of visibility that nourishes rather than drains

  • Confidence in conversations, pricing, and decision-making

  • Structure to grow while staying true to yourself

  • Coaching and support from the Kundalini Yoga Club team to fully build your first funnel and ad campaigns

“I now know who I am, what I offer, and how to reach people. And it feels lighter than ever.”


Typical Program Value: €10,000 – €15,000

To give you perspective: last year, we ourselves took part in a program that cost €12,000. We’re sharing everything we learned from it with you.


But we consciously choose a different approach.


We want more yogi-preneurs to succeed — in their mission, business, and visibility.


Not just for themselves, but to help transform society together.


The more conscious entrepreneurs grow, the more healing, awareness, and connection will flourish.


So we keep it accessible:

So you don’t have to choose between learning and doing — you can grow in both areas.

Choose the Program That Works For You:

Limited

LEVEL 1: 

The Foundation Path: Learn & Align



€200/
month
€2,222


DURATION: 12 months

FORMAT: Online learning + community discussion

You Receive:

  • 12 months of spiritual & business masterclasses
  • 1 Spiritual Masterclass / month with Guru Gian
  • 1 Business Masterclass / month with Sandesh
  • Practical assignments & step-by-step guidance
  • Lifetime access to all recordings and materials
  • Reflective discussion space inside the learning platform

Outcome:

Understand the structure of a soulful business and build your foundation in alignment with your energy and values.































I’m signing up for the program
Limited

LEVEL 2: 

The Growth Path: Group Coaching & Collective Support


 €300/ month
 €3,333


DURATION: 12 months

FORMAT: Online learning + live group coaching + team-supported strategy

You Receive:

  • Everything from Level 1


Plus:

  • Monthly Group Coaching Sessions
     Interactive Q&A and coaching with Sandesh & Guru Gian.
     Discuss challenges, share breakthroughs, and receive live guidance.

  •  Active Community App & Buddy System
     Stay connected between sessions, support each other, and stay accountable.

  • Bimonthly Marketing Analysis (every 2 months)
     Review your content, social media, and campaign results with feedback from the operational team.

  • Bonus: 12-Month Membership in the Kundalini Yoga Club
     Access to a library of Kriyas, meditations, and live classes- value €312 - to keep your energy high while you grow your business.


Outcome:

You learn, implement, and grow in connection with a supportive group -with guidance, accountability, and the power of shared momentum.











I’m ready to grow
Limited

LEVEL 3:

The Mastery Path: Personal Mentorship & Full Implementation Support

€500/ month
€5,555


DURATION: 12 months

FORMAT: Full mentorship + operational support + private guidance

You Receive:

  • Everything from Level 2


Plus:

  • Private Mentorship (2 hrs/month with Sandesh)
     1:1 sessions for personalized guidance, creative development, and strategy refinement.

  • Monthly Milestones & Goal Tracking
     Tailored plans and check-ins to ensure consistent progress and real results.

  • Direct WhatsApp Support
     Ongoing access to Sandesh and the team for questions, updates, and feedback between sessions.

  • Team Access – Done-With-You Support
     Work directly with our team on:

  • Campaign & content analysis

  • Copywriting feedback

  • Funnel and automation setup

  • Technical and marketing implementation

  • Monthly Marketing & Business Review
     Personalized analysis to keep you aligned, efficient, and growing.

Bonus:

  • Free Access to the 365-Day Kundalini Yoga Mastery Training - a year-long inner growth journey to keep your energy and vision aligned. Value €1,111


Outcome:

You don’t just learn the system -you live it.

You have a mentor, a team, and a rhythm of accountability that turns vision into structure, and structure into freedom.

Yes, I choose my mission

Need Something More Custom Made?

Do You Want Anything Else. For Example Outsource the Whole Marketing Campaign and Positioning To Us? Create and Launch With us?


Contact Us for a Specialized Offer.

Yes, I Want A Customized Offer
Explore with Sandesh your possibilities in a free call

📩 Temporarily tight on funds?

Send us a message. We’re happy to explore options with you.

Book a free call


discover our possibilities for financial support

What We Ask of You

  • This program is for action-takers.

  • For those who want to build, test, and apply.

  • You’ll learn — but above all, you’ll do.
  • No theory for later, but concrete steps every week.
  • We’re not looking for perfection — just movement, willingness, and a deep YES.




Feel "YES"?

If you’ve read this far, you probably feel something stirring.


You don’t have to be 100% sure.


Just be open to the question:


“Could this be my next step?”

Book a conversation — just to align

  • No sales pitch
  • No pressure
  • Just clarity together

Choose your moment in the calendar

Let’s explore your next step together


For You If…

  • You feel: I’m ready for a real step

  • You want to build — not just dream

  • You feel a YES, but want to check if this is right for you

Not for You If…

  • You prefer to keep postponing
  • You mainly want to consume
  • You are not ready to change anything

I am incredibly grateful for the transformative journey I experienced through Guru Gian’s coaching.


When I first approached Guru Gian, I was struggling to find balance and fulfillment in various areas of my life, including work and relationships. Through his guidance, I not only manifested a new life, but also reached a deep sense of clarity and purpose.

In my career, Guru Gian helped me identify my true passions and strengths, enabling me to pursue opportunities aligned with my authentic self. His insightful advice and practical tools empowered me to overcome obstacles and build a career that brings me not only success, but immense satisfaction and joy.


Guru Gian’s holistic approach touches every aspect of life, ensuring that growth in one area positively impacts all others. His wisdom and unwavering support have been essential in my journey toward a balanced and fulfilling life.


I wholeheartedly recommend Guru Gian to anyone seeking positive change and a purposeful, joyful life. His coaching has been a beacon of light, guiding me to a place of peace, prosperity, and happiness.


Thank you, Guru Gian, for everything you’ve done for me. Your impact on my life is immeasurable.

— Amrit Singh Reinsch (Mexico), Life Coach — 20 years affiliated with Miri Piri Academy in India

Frequently Asked Questions:

  • What is the duration of the program?

The program lasts one year and includes six intensive live Online days, monthly mastermind sessions, and ongoing support.


  • Where are the live days held?

Online via Zoom. Masterclasses will be recorded.


  • Is online support available?

Yes, in addition to the live days, you'll have access to online modules, workbooks, and an active community for continuous guidance.


  • Who is this program for?

For conscious entrepreneurs such as coaches, healers, and yoga teachers who want to deepen their spiritual mission and grow their business.


  • How can I register?

You can sign up by booking a free, no-obligation call via the website. During the call, we’ll explore whether the program is a good fit for you.


  • Is personal coaching available?

Yes, you’ll receive personal guidance and direct feedback on your business — both during live days and via online sessions.


  • What if I miss a live day?

We strongly encourage you to attend all live days for maximum impact. If you miss one, we’ll discuss a suitable alternative.


  • Are payment plans available?

Yes, flexible payment options are available.


  • How much time should I invest each week?

Besides the live days and mastermind sessions, plan to spend a few hours weekly on the online modules and implementing strategies.



Still have questions?

Feel free to contact us!

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Results from People Who Worked with Guru Gian

“Today I had my first two intake sessions with real clients — and both signed up for a 6-month coaching program 😄.
That’s pretty amazing for me! Thank you so much for sharing these incredible techniques with me!”


Lakshmi

“I already have two paying clients and… wow.

It’s so empowering to work with them. I can absolutely recommend this because Guru Gian really empowers you in a compassionate way.

I’m truly grateful for taking this step.

I feel like I have all the tools, and I see a bright future with my clients.”

Silke

“Jasper explains things so clearly.

The balance is perfect for me — spiritual, but grounded.

That’s what I need, what I love, and what I believe in.”



Maarten de Vos

“I’m so happy I did the training! It’s helped me not just in my personal life, but also in my first coaching session — it went so well and felt so familiar, like I’ve been doing it for years (in my own unique way).”




Uma Harpreet

“Guru Gian uplifted the whole group with his energetic yet calm nature.
You feel that he owns what he teaches — fully autonomous, fully connected.
This inspired me in how I want to be as a coach and as a learning individual.
After the first week, I felt more focused and empowered. My students felt this energy and came more often. At the same time, my coaching practice started blooming.
In 11 months, I had 12 intakes without actively promoting — 9 became clients: 5 for a 10-week program and 4 long-term.”

Sandra Med Schmitt

“It wasn’t a theoretical course — it really changed my life.

It gave me direction and confidence in what I want to do.

It’s truly special.”
















Claudia

“Jasper is a true teacher.

He has so much knowledge and shares it in such a calm and grounded way.”



















Irina

“It gave me the tools to start my own yoga coaching business, to promote myself, and to truly earn a living in the spiritual world.

This was exactly what I had been searching for.

Jasper’s coaching techniques push you to face and break through your blocks — it’s uplifting, it cracks you open and lets you shine.”










Jasper Jansen (Guest Teacher)

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“This was truly worth the time and money.
I’ve already gained more clients and feel much more confident.
It’s much easier now to reach out to new clients, work with them, and show myself — because I feel more secure.
As a coach or yoga teacher, marketing is part of the job, and now it’s so much easier.”

Simone Tontsch

“I recommend this to anyone who wants to coach themselves and others.

A beautiful mix of yogic knowledge and coaching strategies.

Designed and taught by Jasper Kok, it’s truly a unique training and experience.

The fact that my doula business and family café became reality is largely thanks to this training.”

Amrit Dev

“This training really empowered me to move forward.

I gained clients during the training already.

I recommend it to every yoga student.

I feel strong, centered, and confident.

I’m deeply grateful to Jasper and the whole team for this beautiful experience.”


Sukhmnani

“For the first time in my life, I took a leap of faith — and it felt so liberating.
That makes me happy because it gives me hope I can keep doing that again in the future.”



Anneke

“I think he’s an important teacher.

He has so much knowledge, and he shares it in such a human, down-to-earth way.

You instantly connect with him, yet you still feel the depth and wisdom in how he teaches — also from a higher perspective.

It’s just amazing.”

Humita Kanhai

“Jasper did an amazing job being highly professional while also personally involved with each participant — something he’s very good at.”




Agnes
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